Neil Atkinson was joined by Dan Austin, Jay McKenna, Emilia Bona, John Gibbons and Paul Cope and Mike Girling for this week’s AFQ.
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Neil Atkinson was joined by Dan Austin, Jay McKenna, Emilia Bona, John Gibbons and Paul Cope and Mike Girling for this week’s AFQ.
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Interesting first hslf hour debate, however would have been more interesting if an opposing view had been heard(probably one of those pricks Neil was talking about me)
I am not a Labour supporter, but fair play to Corbin, thought he ran a great campaign, very positive and generally think he wants the country to do and be so much better than it is.So much more refreshing to have someone like him than the suited puppets like Blair and Cameron.
However the stark reality for Labour is the Conservatives ran the most appalling campaign in recent history as John said
The fact she would not debate with him was arrogant and misplaced, the dementia tax, and the school meals bollocks added to the litany of mistakes made throughout.
Given this even if you put all the other parties seats together Including the DUP they still have got enough to form a government, that is the reality.
I think it’s good for the country that at last we have two parties not speaking the same language and Labour are now an effective oppression.
One thing that has struck me though, it seems to be the case on here that people think we have Brexit due to the Conservatives
Not true, the reason why is that thousands of Labour supporters voted for Brexit in Norhern labour heartlands, the South in general voted to remain so please would people on hear stop perpetrating this myth
Interesting that more UKIP supporters have not gone back to the Conservatives but in fact Labour!What does that tell you, the exact people who were pilloried for voting in that way in the referendum.
Can I also remind the Labour vote that Corbin has been a Euro sceptic all his political life.
Can you imagine what would have happened if he had put his heart and soul into the remain campaign, getting the young vote out in such numbers, during the referendum, no Brexit i would say.He would not do it because his heart was not in it.exaclty what is now facing May in the Brexit talks.
Id like to think I’m pretty fair minded, like politics but by no means an expert, but the view on hear from almost everyone apart from John who is extremely fair and at least has a go at looking at an opposing view , if you don’t vote Labour you are a prick, small minded right wing , foreign hating but job.
How anyone thinks you are going to change someone’s mind with this kind of rhetoric is truly is beyond me .
Thank you for the right of reply
Thanks for the very uplifting introductory comments on the election. I loved hearing the story of the volunteers queueing outside in the morning to get leaflets to put through letterboxes. I will do more for the next election because of it. Have a look at my facebook entry on the anniversary of the death of Stephanie Bottrill;
https://www.facebook.com/mark.harrington.90813 Someone really died because of tory policy.
Not ok to do a friggin politics show for 30 mins together with AFQ.
I agree, cancelling my subscription. I enjoy football to get away from politics.
I would guess there are people from all over the political persuasion listening to this , mainly Labour yes, Thank goodness for Mr Gibbons who as usual seems a little more fair minded.
Anyway I thought I would throw a few points in the mix.
Undoubtedly Labour and Corbin especially ran a brilliantly positive and up beat campaign. Although I personally cant see myself voting for him I genuinely like him although some of his links to terrorists like the mujahedeen and Hamas( not paper smears but fact) are troubling, he tries to stick to his principles and think he would love to be given an opportunity to make a difference. Such a refreshing change from the suited puppets like Blair and Cameron, there mouths moved but never said anything of note!
The Conservatives on the other hand were abysmal, not sure why she felt she need to run again and to have an election after triggering article 50 is bonkers, in fact dam right irresponsible. At the start of the year her approval rating was through the roof and had 3-4 years left to run. Actually I think I do know, she was and her party were arrogant taking the people and the result as a forgone conclusion.
She looked cold, unappealing, trotting out the same soundbites, would not debate, her policy’s were attacking the very people who were voting for her, and the fiasco on the dementia tax and school meals was truly embarrassing. I say this as a Conservative, not a member, just an ordinary voter.( I do think it is important to remember since becoming Leader she has to deal with 3 extremely worrying terrorist attacks, two of which during the campaign which is unprecedented . Not an excuse but I wonder what effect this would have had on Corbin if he were leader?)
And there is the nub for Corbin, even when things are so bad for May Labour are still 56 seats of the Tory’s. Even if you lumped the rest of the others together with Labour its still not enough. Its been lost somewhere but the Conservatives got more votes in this election than in any other Conservative campaign from the mid 80’s.Yes Labour have made big strides and its good we now have 2 parties speaking a different language at last but as John said May will be replaced and chances are the vote will recover for them. Its just as much to do with Mays disastrous campaign as Corbin’s brilliance this result. If Corbin truly wants to be a leader he has got to look at his back up team. Know one I know would vote for a party with the likes of Diane Abbot in a leading cabinet position.
On the subject on Brexit which seems to cause so much angst on here its interesting that the fact that Corbin has always been a Euro sceptic all his political life is brushed under the carpet. If you gave him a free vote on Brexit, he would have voted for it as did some of the leaders of the largest Labour supporting unions such as RMT and ASLEF. Whilst I understand it was Cameron who gave the people a chance to vote on this to save his skin the fact that Corbin was not at all interested in campaigning for remain meant a big chunk of the labour vote was not at all engaged in the process. We have seen how he can perform and what effect he has on the young vote, if he had done this during the referendum Brexit would now be consigned to the history books. The misguided notion that all Conservatives voted for Brexit is bonkers, massive chunks of the South East voted to remain, London was one of the biggest remain areas in the country, it was big Labour areas especially the North East where the voting public voted for Brexit. These same people along with UKIP voters who the majority have now come back into the Labour fold are welcomed back with open arms, but on this forum at least its down to the South, May, Conservatives, pricks all, guess it suits the agenda! Your anger at this decision might be better directed at Corbin and the Labour vote the abandoned ship.
I think all our voting patterns are shaped by what we see with our own eyes, your experiences in the North West will be different from down south. Labour here is treated as a party that means well but just wants to keep spending and is completely unable to make difficult decisions , trying to be all things to all people. Growing up in the 70’s and 80’s they were a complete shower of shit, 3 day weeks, no bin collections, power cuts, Michael Foot etc. etc. even during the world recession they tried to spend there way out of trouble until nothing was left, remember the note left at the bank of England? and so that shapes the way you vote. Your views will be shaped by the abonnement of the City by the Tories I guess along with loads more reasons all of which are relevant to you and the way you vote. If you want to try and change the way people vote which you are going to have to do in unprecedented numbers in order to get in then debate them, don’t insult them. This is why I think an opposing view would make for a more interesting and fair debate rather than 6 people round a table all agreeing.
I love this forum and the people on it, there is so much talent on here, none more so than Neil who for me anyway is the best front man on any media forum around, I don’t agree with some of what is said but boy do I respect him, you can have an opposing view without being a prick.
Sorry for the long winded reply, and for the chance to get this of my chest.
Maybe the best way to solve all this is to just vote Gibbons!! The most reasonable man on the internet!!
It was like listening to a party political broadcast from Tony Benn, Josef Stalin, Lavrenti Beria and with good old Deggsy Hatton as guest speaker.
We all have our political leanings, but by Christ that was painful listening.
Not everyone who voted Brexit is a Tory incidentally.
For the two people moaning about talking politics , it’s not a football show and there has just been a general election ffs . Get over it .
I liked it, nice to hear from people who were actively involved.
Did not enjoy this guys.
I’ll pay more for my subscription if the moaning arses leave ! It’s afq ! Not a footy show so they can answer and talk about anything ,don’t let the door hurt you on the way out !!!
All for an AFQ but as LFC has International subscribers this doesn’t appeal to everyone. Wrong to give feedback or right to be a bellend like your name suggests?
A general election doesn’t happen every day mate , it’s quite a big thing and deserves to be talked about. If it was happening all the time you’d have a point .
I’m obviously a bellend then as I still think that the AFQ was spot on and yeah international listeners have had to listen to political content for part, it wasn’t the whole Show it was a IMPORTANT ELECTION so I stand by what I have written . people can say they enjoy or don’t enjoy the show but to start on about subscription cancelled is imo ridiculous
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Joanne the bellend
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I’m from Australia and I enjoyed the political chat hugely. And to cancel your subscription over half and hour of a full months content based on politics, well that just seems a bit Tory
3 things you shouldn’t discuss, Politics, religion and…. :P
Well done lads and lady, always good to hear opinions on politics from people you feel like you understand where they’re coming from. Gives a good insight into what ordinary people in the UK are thinking. Dont mind the moany twats above.
Absolutely relevant, and would have been very strange for you not to talk about it. The dissenting voices above are probably Tory voters who can’t handle that the team they love are from a Labour city! Keep up the good work!
Alright the comment-leaving reds.
You know you can just skip the political bits, right?
Love,
Tony Benn x
Blimey , the TAW player appeal stretches from beyond the grave!
For what it’s worth I thought it was great. I am not english nor living there either. Passion baby.
I also loved the post-election chat. Great insight into your experiences. (Surprised some people didn’t like it to be honest! When has politics ever been separate from football?!)
“A que out the door at 5 to 6” Is rightl lad.