IT’S escaped almost everyone’s notice but we’re in a really peculiar position this year whereby Liverpool could face the crazy proposition of a play-off for seventh place in the Premier League. There’s a pair of results that mean that, while this is pretty unlikely, it’s possible.
West Ham have currently scored two goals more than Liverpool while the defensive records are the same. You would then also need Manchester United to win the FA Cup for it to matter, as that’s the only way that a seventh-placed finish yields a Europa League place.
When such a game would take place I have absolutely no idea given that we wouldn’t know if it is necessary until after the FA Cup final, and by then most of the players will have disappeared to their respective international sides in preparation for this summer’s European Championships.
You then have the fact that whoever does in fact get awarded this place would end up needing to play a qualifier in late July, which means the team would have to be determined sometime in early to mid-July. You kept up? This whole thing is absolutely barmy and it probably won’t happen. But a 2-1 win for Stoke and a 3-1 win for Liverpool will see it happen. So, all being well we won’t have to worry about this. We’re talking a really slim probability here. But as a man who works in probability, never say never.
Klopp is annoyed enough with FA Cup replays — imagine telling him he’s going to have to turn up to Wembley before the Euros have finished to have the chance to get in the third qualifying round of the Europa League, and play four European games before the start of August.
(Neil is annoyed as well, look.)
I mean, no. No, please, God — no. Imagine that. “Alright, lads, we need you to come to Wembley to play off for seventh with West Ham. Not arsed that your players are all in France, just send someone. Anyone.”
I’d be in favour of the club just saying, “Nah, it’s ok, let them have it on head to head. What, there isn’t a head-to-head rule? Well, create one then.”
As an aside, Manchester United lost 6-1 at home to Manchester City in 2012-2013. Were that game to have finished 1-3 then they would have had to play a play-off for the League title. Imagine that.
Anyway, the obvious solution to this however, is a win on Wednesday night. We’re all in favour of that, aren’t we? But you just have to entertain the possibility that we might lose.
I’ve spent the last month or so in a strange predicament. I didn’t think it was beyond the realms of possibility that we could finish fourth when we took to the field against Newcastle when we had five games to go. Yes, it needed Liverpool to win five games, and it needed Manchester City and/or Arsenal to fall off a cliff, but we could get 68 points then. As it turns out, the worst position we’d have been in if we had won our remaining five games was a goal-difference induced fifth place. As the above scenario: Possible, unlikely but possible.
But then when we drew with Newcastle I started to look at the league table. Fifth or sixth means you would end up having to play Europa League qualifiers, two or four games added to what is effectively your pre-season, for the chance to go in a group with three teams you’ve got no real interest in playing. A Thursday night chore, Sunday games, the psychological disadvantage of having the Thursday-Sunday set up that everyone tells you is such a hardship. Not to mention the likelihood of some long trips to the back of beyond.
Bizarrely, in a month where everything this football club has been doing is about winning what’s probably the best looking trophy of them all, I’ve been actively willing on Liverpool to avoid getting back in the frigging thing next season.
Swansea was glorious, Spurs’ defeat at home to Southampton was great, failing to overcome Chelsea on Wednesday night wasn’t to be frowned upon– although, judging by how angry some people got for 90 minutes, I think I might be on my own with that one. “No mate, that fella isn’t going to go into a 50/50 in an attempt to get sixth place in the league a week before a European Final, you absolute plantpot.”
Let’s be honest about the Europa League here. I’ve had loads of fun this year, the United tie and Dortmund at home, and away as well to a certain extent, will live long in the memory. On its second last European night before refurbishment, it’s arguable that the Main Stand saw Anfield’s greatest ever European night. It was fitting
The group stage was dull, Augsburg felt unnecessary, and playing this many fixtures isn’t good for us in the long run. It’s hard to dispute that we could be 10 points better off without the added workload, or that we could have played a stronger side against West Ham in the FA Cup. I’m not complaining about where we are going to end up on Wednesday night by any stretch of the imagination, but a run like this comes with a cost.
People will say it’s no different to the Champions League. Well, I’m afraid it is. The Champions League might well be the same number of games unless you go deep in it, and result in the same number of midweek games, but it’s also bigger, grander, and being in it makes you look like a top football club. That’s what I’m in it for — for Liverpool to be the best.
Players are genuinely attracted by it. While the transfer hasn’t worked out, a player of the profile of Lazar Markovic wouldn’t have been anywhere near Anfield two years ago if the club were playing against Sion on a Thursday night. You can debate the rights and wrongs of that, but for me it’s undeniable.
If we were going straight into the group stage then I could just about cope with it, but the act of qualifying for it like we did in Brendan Rodgers’ first season? Absolutely no chance I can be arsed with that. Look at how being out of it allowed Rodgers to get Liverpool playing in 13-14. Imagine what Klopp would do with a week between games for the majority of a season.
News has also emerged today about pre-season. Triple sessions. 7am starts. Eleven-a-side games in the evening. And two weeks’ holiday before all that. Coupled with Klopp talking about just how important pre-season is when it comes to setting his team up for the season I fail to see a single positive to trying to add about 20 games to our season, while simultaneously driving a bus through everything he’s trying to achieve in pre-season, when the first 10 of these games would by and large bore the living shite out of everyone. That’s how I felt against Rubin Kazan, Sion and Bordeaux. Bored. I’m not in this to be bored and neither should you.
Losing on Wednesday night would be bad enough; devastating, gutting and a kick in the balls for everyone. But losing the final and being told you’re back in it in just over two months against a bunch of Kazakh pig farmers? I think that’d be worse than the actual act of not winning a final.
Absolutely spot on. I was pleased when we lost to Swansea, wasn’t arsed about the Chelsea game and have been cheering on the saints for the past fortnight. If we finish 8th then next Weds is literally all or nothing, where nothing is actually better than the something that is the Europa League.
That last bit makes no sense as it’s the actual EL we are playing for.
Are you saying winning the europa league is worse than nothing? Or its only worse if we lose? I am confused.
No, I’m not.
I’m saying that losing would be bad. Losing and being told you’re getting the booby prize of playing in it again in July is also bad. For me, actually worse than losing.
What i am saying is that win EL we are in the Champions League and lose we won’t be in Europe at all. And not being in Europe at all next season is better than being in the Europa League again.
But europa league next season gives us another route to the champions league. Don’t see we can pass that up.
And it’s way more fun than finishing 4th
this piece sounds like finishing second in the league is better than winning the EL. Unless its 1st, I’ll take winning the EL all day long. 2nd 5th 10th…who cares? its not first.
Start in July? Who gives a fuck? We are the 8th or 9th richest club in the world – deal with it. I mean, how hard is beating a bunch of Kazakh pig farmers????
Utter drivel. We are Liverpool football club, we try and win every game, and it’s not up to the players to pick and choose which game is more important than another one. If we’d prioritised trophies in the 70’s and 80’s we would probably only have half the trophies in the cabinet we have now. Hasn’t it occurred to you, unlikely as it seems, that we could be in a similar position next year, when the only chance we have of getting into the Champions League is to win the Europa League, except if you have your way we would not be in it.
difficult one really. I think Klopp would do a better job of rotating players then BR did and would focus on the league if we are in the Europa League and if we have a hug squad some would benefit from playing in Europe and trying to work their way into the league side. I also think that strong cup runs can bring a side together.
On the other side I agree with the data that (joe pepper) that we are 42% less likely win after playing in Europe and that if Klopp had a week to prepare for every league game it would be great (see Leicester this year and Liverpool 2 years ago).
Bottom line i’m on the fence. Let’s just win the cup next week.
i should have proof-read that before I sent it
“As an aside, Manchester United lost 6-1 at home to Manchester City in 2012-2013. Were that game to have finished 1-3 then they would have had to play a play-off for the League title.”
I’m really, really, not getting this..
It’s not unlikely, it’s inevitable.
The Europa league will take priority over all other competitions because it offers potentially the easiest route to the Champions League group stages and the 1 billion Euro money pot.
In other words, a route to the biggest money with a less capable squad.
It’s …..that …….simple.
If West Ham lose 2-1 to Stoke and we win 3-1, surely our ‘goals against’ totals would then differ. Liverpool would then finish above West Ham.
If, by not being in the Europa league next season meant we would definitely win the league, then I would agree but it doesn ‘t.
The Europa cup is a great competition and is only devalued in England. If we lose next week, then I want us to be in it again next season.
The league stage maybe a bore but who would want to miss the potential for more nights like we have just had against Man U, Dortmund and Villareal.
Klopp will strengthen our squad further and the plus side of playing extra games is that it keeps squad members happy plus gives some youngsters the chance to show if they are good enough or not.