THE piece I had in mind if we won was much better if I’m honest.
It was half about settling scores, half about The Anfield Wrap going to karaoke and singing Romeo and Juliet by Dire Straits.
It had everything. Atkinson as a flirtatious Juliet, Gibbo as a love struck Romeo — all within a framework of triumph against teams that have made us wince since those mad few weeks of 2014. First Chelsea, then Palace, and then a rallying cry for Manchester City. We owe them all — in that order, too.
I previewed the piece to Rob Gutmann and Paul Senior before the match. We agreed if it ever made the light of day we’d probably win the league forever and Romeo and Juliet would go on to replace You’ll Never Walk Alone. Receiving Gutmann’s backing on a project including a Dire Straits song was a particular boost — he normally only likes bands with at least five keyboard players and seven drummers, preferably from 1982.
But then the football happened, the realisation came that we’re not very good at it, and now you’re having to read this.
Trust me, I’m as gutted as you are.
But anyway.
My overriding feeling is that I’ve seen today’s game before — more times than I care to remember. We play Chess, they play Draughts; we get marks for our working out, they get full marks for getting the right answer.
I’ve run out of analogies, but you get the point. It’s become the template home performance against the “side we should beat” but very rarely do. And that’s the cycle we’re in, “attacking” the Kop in the second half with two many Knights and Bishops when what we need is a load of mad Queens charging all over the place.
* Actually quite pleased with the Chess analogy there. Glad we lost now to be honest.*
The team is further confused by the fact that we only score at home from crosses and simultaneously cross the ball too much. It’s killing us. We never have enough bodies in the box and never pick out the few that are. Until we do. So we do it again. Particularly Alberto Moreno, who could do with a tour of the away dressing room to see what is probably carved into the walls: “Let Moreno have the ball in the final third because he’ll probably cross it.”
But that’s enough serious football analysis from me.
I could do a further 300 words on Can not being as good as the band Can (some achievement) and maybe 400 words on Divock Origi playing like a goalkeeper who’s been sent up front for the last minute. I could probably even do a 1,000 words on how Mignolet has never ever given the ball to anyone quickly and then passes it to Sakho about 1 second after he came back on the pitch with two broken legs. But there lies over-analysis and a few silly jokes, and I’ve just made the silly jokes. We lost a game, the first in 13 — let’s not go mad.
3 – Crystal Palace won just one league game at Anfield between 1970 and 2013 but have won twice there in 2015. Improvement.
— OptaJoe (@OptaJoe) November 8, 2015
3 – Philippe Coutinho has scored as many goals in his last two appearances under Jurgen Klopp as his final 17 under Brendan Rodgers. Free.
— OptaJoe (@OptaJoe) November 8, 2015
Which brings me to Klopp – hopefully the solution to all this.
I like the way he carries himself — the human embodiment of the saying: “It is what it is”, an expression I’ve always hated for its finality but in Klopp’s hands it’s used to great effect.
The transfer committee, playing from Thursday to Sunday, teams scoring goals against us — his answer to all these things can basically be summed up as “It is what it is”. He’s doesn’t even countenance the conversation, doesn’t even allow it in the room.
I could work with someone like that, I’d love to work with someone like that. He’d make every meeting I’ve ever attended 100 per cent shorter by just shutting things down and getting on with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ3gAKL3hfI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSbotgZJa_Y
If Klopp could hear the conversations I’m hearing now, as I writing this, he’d gegenpress the life out of every one of them.
Today reminded him of why he’s here in the first place and it reminded us that we’re not very good after all. The reality of football has interrupted us again.
We’ve failed to settle a score, we’re still wincing at the words “Crystal Palace”, and Martin Fitzgerald’s great “Dire Straits meets the Anfield Wrap” piece remains a “what if” consigned to a part of my mind that was more optimistic before 4pm today.
It is what it is. Unfortunately.
For now at least…
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Palace were good and Jurgen is ace, but there’s only so much a manager can do with fucking thick players. Into that category fall Mignolet, S., Moreno, A. and Can, E. Mignolet is a menace. No footballer would roll the ball to Sakho after that injury, yet he does this kind of thing every week, usually to players who aren’t even facing him. Should have done better with the goals too. Can and Moreno are improving but one has one foot and little concentration, the other has all the talent in the world in his head, less in his feet, sadly. He’ll get better over time but should make way for Henderson as soon as he’s fit. Benteke was poor today.
Still, onwards and upwards. Palace are a tricky proposition for anyone away from home and we have the best manager we could wish for. He’ll get it right.
Fully agreed on the thickness of the 3 players mentioned.
Can looks like he wears his IQ on his back. I’ve rarely seen a CM slow down momentum and telegraph moves like this fella. Appears that brief purple patch last season was a one off.
I’d add Firminho to that list. Friends in Germany say that Hoffenheim are still laughing their heads off at stiffing us for 29 mill! That fucking corner……
Benteke had an off day but still poses a real threat and can distract defenders. I’ve liked him so far. Just don’t put Origi anywhere near the pitch. The lad will never make it.
Coutinho should be the lad we build around. Hope he stays.
Klopp is no fool and exactly what we need at this club to take us forward.
I still stand by my assertion that 80pct of this side will be gone in the next 12 months as Klopp will sort the mediocrity out very schnell .
Benteke wasn’t the best today but he was still getting into those dangerous areas and causing problems.
Just needs to be more clinical so not overly worried about him.
‘Can looks like he wears his IQ on his back’
This is amazing.
Excellent piece Martin, actually cheered me no end (which is saying something). Gutted we didn’t get the ‘Dire Straits’ piece, keep it on ice though, we might actually beat Palace again someday. :)
Looking for the positives, the last few games and a 12 match unbeaten run may have flattered us a little bit, we’ve played well recently but there are problems still and yesterday’s result will help Klopp analyse them better. I don’t think there is too much wrong with our squad, a bit of fine tuning and we could have something special with the current coaching set-up. Good time for a break so we can come back stronger against City.
PaulofFinland- you are my hero. Your post actually made me laugh. Mignolet does do that every week. Why on earth was he rushing to play that ball to Sakho? It seems that whenever we need to slow things down he chucks it out quickly to someone who isn’t looking or, one of the opposition players, then, when we need him to speed things up, he holds onto the ball for dear life. My main worry with Migs though is how much he is affected by his, or other peoples, mistakes. If he does something wrong, he then starts to over think everything. Don’t get me wrong, I like the guy, he just drives me mad, a ,lot!
Pauloffinland… Absolutely nailed it mate
I think you spoke for the masses there
You sound disappointed Martin.What’s to be disappointed about? Did you think we were going to sweep all before us? (“If you don’t know where you’re going,any road will take you there.”(George Harrison-Brainwashed”).
Klopp came in and tried to inject some positivity.He could have said “This lot are useless” and some of us might have agreed.Some of us might have been at a half-way house thinking surely they’re not as bad as they look;especially not for that sort of money.Maybe Klopp thought the same?
But he’s had about a month to figure out where he’s going with this.At the moment he’s making the best of it.But it’s very early days.
The signs are he knows exactly where he’s going with it.And some of them will know exactly where they’re going with it too before too long!
Love to know what you thought of lallana …he’s really starting to fry my head…was he good or bad? Mostly bad I think.
He plays like every match is a friendly between his local pub and the butchers down the road.Twist ,turn ,nothing ,repeat …
Ivan – I said this exact very thing to my mate at the match about both Lallana & Can – if I had to rate them out of ten each game my head would explode. Are they good? Are they bad? Who knows? I wish they’d hurry up and make up their mind.
Martin – great write up mate. It was a crap result, with much dominance but never any end product, bar a worldy here and there. Its weird because I never feel excited enough to get off my seat when we get in and around the box. Wrong that isn’t it?
Post your original article up Martin and we can just pretend we won. Scouser Scott Dann did my head in. Missed a header against United then scores at Anfield? Just whose side is he really on? (Palace’s obviously. They literally pay him.)
Thought the performance was good but we’re definitely more of an away side and Suarez being brilliant aside, have been for a long, long time. It’s not just the crowd either; we’re dead easy to set up against. Just get organised, get vaguely competent at set pieces in both boxes and just wait for the mad mistakes because they’re incoming.
Lallana was getting grief for not being in it but he was charged with getting closest to Benteke and he was making decent runs round corners into channels that we weren’t spotting. Certainly Can was too busy being a dope to lift his head up and spot him. That lad needs a rest for Joe Allen I think. Thought Ibe has been playing with a new lease of life under Klopp but if I’m being nitpicky he was holding on to it for a bit too long second half for me. Then again when he delayed his pass in the first it led to the goal so what do I know.
If Sakho’s out long we’re talking in terms of it being a bit of a season killer, although Lovren looked fine tbf. Reckon we’re cursed with these injuries to all of our integral players. We deserve no better with the amount of empty seats before it gets to 90, in all fairness.
Really pleased Klopp called out those leaving early. Just what the Palace players wanted to see that, rather than the whole ground getting right behind the team to create 1 more good chance. Dodging traffic my arse. How many leave if we’d just scored at that point rather than them?
Said it before, we need a new crowd much more than any new players.
funny, Tom….but agree…post that original article and we’d pretend we won…
“We play Chess, they play Draughts; we get marks for our working out, they get full marks for getting the right answer.”
Classic!!
I didn’t manage my own expectations properly, so I was really disappointed with the result.(not disappointed with the effort thiugh)
But your use of Dire Straits cheer me up, a bit. Brought back lots of memories of early 80s to me. Well, let me drown my disappointment with some old memories.
Early 80s..
~ I spoke very few words of English
~ no tv, no internet obviously, no English newspapers
~ started hearing Liverpool on BBC shortwave radio that my dad and grandpa (blind since 2nd world war) listened to.
~ But, I know all the Dire Straits songs, including Romeo & Juliet…”you and me babe…how about it…” All on cassette tape (no CDs yet)
~ My brother was lead guitarist “Mark Knopfler” in a local band that played Sultan of Swing…(that was before “money for nothing and walk of life etc:)
What’s got to do with Liverpool loss to Palace?
Nothing….just that it helped ease my suffering a bit..f ing drunk…
“But it’s written in the starlight,and every line in your palm,
we’re fools to make war,
On our brothers in arms.”
…”why worry…there should be laughter after pain…there should be sunshine after rain….these things have always been the same…so why worry now”
genius…
Really interesting post Josh. What country are/ were, you in when you first started listening to the Reds on the radio?
Hi James.
born and grew up in Burma (Myanmar, where the elections are currently). Grandpa lost his eyesight during the “Japanese invasion” in 1942. So short wave radio was pretty much his only faithful friend.
I was in Singapore for education ~ that’s when I had that special privilege to see Reds on color TV. Thank goodness, King Kenny was the manager, and we were world beaters..crushing Palace by nearly double digit scoreline, and yet letting Michael Thomas scored the second goal at Anfield…(and couldn’t understand when we signed him).
Since, lived/worked in Singapore, US, HK, Korea, Philippines, and Dubai :)
have seen Reds in Bangkok, HK, Singapore and Malaysia..and odd players in hotel lobbies in Dubai :)
my son and I shall make it to Anfield one day soon…hopefully before another loss to Palace.. (sorry, a long reply…but there you go… cheers)
Kraftwerk would have moved faster than our players when they were defending the second goal – although less faster than our fans did (they were walking up the aisles while the ball was still bouncing around in our net).
I’m glad Klopp brought this up in the press conference. Also liked the way he told the journalists to stop trying to make more of his quotes than he actually meant, if they wanted him to keep speaking his mind.
He’s basically telling them that he has no respect for their ‘profession’, but that he will throw them enough bones if they just sit there like good dogs and behave themselves. If the dogs start begging, then the bones can go straight in the bin.
He’s worked them out, as well as us.
And typically, the headlines in the Red Tops this morning were still ‘Klopp bashes Anfield support’ etc (with a tiny bit half-way through the articles explaining what he actually meant’). Brilliant British press!! (ughh).
Maybe Klopp’s right to bash Anfield support. It was woeful yesterday and I actually saw Clyne look at in surprise as streams of people walked past him.
Maybe the fans have gotten away with being able to bully a manager by turning him into a perpetrator whenever he says something they don’t like for to long. I like the way Klopp doesn’t give a fuck about any of it. Tradition. Culture. History. Blah. Blah. I honestly think he couldn’t give a flying fuck about appeasing it all and the fans. It’s just football. Another football club. That’s all he knows. It’s refreshing and it might change the stagnant atmosphere around the place.
Enjoyed that read far more than the game. Well in, mate.
That picture of Benteke was the moment. Come on. He’s got to bury that lofted chip from Moreno.
Ha, writing the match review before the game. I can see how that can be though. Like everyone, I’m bitterly disappointed with the result but I can handle that. Ok, it was at Anfield and it by Palace but we were always going to lose sometime under Klopp and really, it’s still the same team from 3 weeks ago and there are improvements even now. Unfortunately, there’s still some of the same old mistakes being made also. That might be the case in future matches whilst some of those players are on the pitch. Look, I’m not ok with this defeat. I got in after it and went to bed for an hour which I never do in the day. I just felt thoroughly down but I’m not looking at it as the end of the world. The reason is simple. You can get over a defeat in a few days. Worse things can happen and they have. If anyone thinks we’ll be seeing Sakho before Christmas then I’d say you’re over optimistic. My negative side is worried we may not see him before Spring. It’s pointless speculating. We’ll know more after the scan tomorrow but this is the killer from today. The result is fairly irrelevant now. Skrtel needs Sakho. Mignolet needs Sakho. Moreno needs Sakho. Liverpool need Sakho. The fans need Sakho. It’s sent my head west.
I feel angry. Why is this happening to us? It’s happening more and more. Arsenal are fucked too. I need a scapegoat today. Sakho’s not to blame. 3 or 4 of the players weren’t great but it’s not gonna help slating them. So, I’m happy to blame the fans too. I’m no better though. I was thinking we’re not gonna score here and when they scored I thought ‘fuck, we’ve lost’. It happens to me every time. I don’t leave though. The atmosphere reputation we’ve got has become a noose around our necks and one we can’t live up to. It’s been painful showing Klopp what we’re made of, especially with him coming from Dortmund and all that. It’s embarrassing really.
I know, I did that daft thing of turning the stream off for a few mins’ when they scored their second. I thought ‘if I don’t watch the next 5 minutes then I bet we’ll score’. Gutted!
Isn’t that the live stream version of “leaving early”, though..
I’d rather we lose early on during Klopp’s reign rather than later. He’ll got all the necessary observation for what’s right and wrong. I’m encouraged by the improvement of the movement of the players, the confidence of keeping the ball (but sometimes too much especially by Can & Lallana) and the will to give more (in term of chasing ball and get them back). Our defense need more organization at the back during set-pieces (man-marking) and losing Sakho at this times will reveal more about what the problem at the back (if Sakho out for a long time) is. We need to convert all the chances too!
I have to agree and I’m inclined to blame Skrtel. He’s a knucklehead not a leader.
I have a small comment on the game (and really every game in the last ten years): Dear Liverpool FC player X, let me introduce you to the far post, now stick on it like stink on shit for every set-piece. Ever. Got it? Good.
a-fucking-men
Enough of the Dire Straits love already! They blighted my youth. Every band I played in wanted to cover Sultans of the effing Swing! :-)
I actually thought the performance was pretty good and on another day we would have easily. The worrying aspect is that mistakes keep getting repeated and nobody appears to learn. I’m not one for blaming everyone else but that’s twice in recent games Can has conceded goals by setting someone up, in fact he did the same error 2 minutes before in this game. Moreno again doesn’t clear his lines. Mignolet patting ball back into danger area. If we had a Cara, Reina, Hyppia type these players would have got both barrels and wouldn’t be making the same mistakes. I can’t think of a goal we’ve conceded at Anfield this year that hasn’t had a simple mistake somewhere in the build up. We need to spend the next week in training just doing corners. We really are terrible at taking them and defending them.
On a different note it was good to hear the chant of “Liverpool” to drown out the “stand up for the 96” song. The 96 should never be used as to drum up atmosphere.
Over 25 years of seasons littered with performances like this one. I keep telling my family Im not watching any more and will start supporting the golf. Of course I won’t, I can’t can I? Besides come on you mighty golf just isn’t the same is it?
So true. Always some bloody low-level manager made to look like a tactical genius by our toothlessness in the final third, be it Hodgson before and after he masqueraded as a Liverpool manager, Alladyce, Pulis, and now Pardew. If Jürgen could turn Anfield back into a fortress again where the boldest teams turn up secretly harbour a hope or even a dream of snatching a draw, he can stay forever. Seeing Alan bloody Pardew strutting around comparing himself to Jürgen Klopp was even more nauseating than seeing Tactics Tim beat Brendan Rodgers. Stop it, Liverpool.
Can and Origi are barely out of their teens and you are writing them off already?
A supporter that does not support is much worse than a player who can’t play.
It’s one average performance with a bad result. Klopp is asking everyone to learn from it and come out stronger.
With supporters like that, we might as well convert the whole stadium into corporate suites. At least they pay better…
So on what basis are you saying Origi is going to make it?
And please spare me the high horse garbage of’a supporter that does not support’.
People are making what they believe to be accurate assessments of the players they see before them. If someone is rubbish I am not gonna make out the guy is a diamond in waiting.
Can did show some potential last year but has been shite ever since.
Origi is no better than Ngog.
Why not everyone did it for Harry Kew, Andy Carroll, Glen Johnson and Lucas
First order of business in january has to be a new keeper. That Turnip Mongolet is making me depressed.
Second, Kevin Volland please
When I saw Sakho being allowed to walk off unaided and then try to run off what was obviously more than just a knock, I was tearing my hair out a bit. Klopp should not have let that happen and neither should have the physios.
I don’t think Can was having a particularly bad game when he was hooked. He was growing into it. The game was growing around him. I know he made the second mistake for the goal (after Moreno) and he did a Gerrardesque through ball to their centre-forward in the second half. But he looked alright carrying the ball from midfield and he forces players to advance and move. No one runs in behind. Once Can turns around (which can seem forever) he was direct and moved the team forward. He is a physical presence. He probably weighs as much as Coutinho, Lallana, Moreno and Clyne put together. They do not move when anyone else travels with the ball, including Ibe.
Ibe was our most attacking threat, but a lot the time it looks like his first touch is so poor he has no choice but to run after the ball and take people on. Maybe that’s a ploy.
Why doesn’t Benteke run channels? Why doesn’t he try and run behind defenders? It doesn’t matter what sort of player he or anyone else thinks he is. Yesterday he was a centre-forward and he played along the same line as Ibe, Coutinho, Lallana and later Formino. All of them want to drop off, play in behind, go towards the ball when it’s in the middle of the pitch. Non of them gave movement (without the ball) to open up the defence, force a through ball, put their centre backs under pressure. Not once. There where a couple of crosses that Benteke didn’t look to attack or anticipate would even happen.
Every time we broke we ended up with 5 players looking at each on the edge of the area. No one knows what to do in the box. There isn’t a natural instinct for goal.
Courtinho has a natural instinct to drop a shoulder and shoot from 30 yards out. Palace showed every Prem side will soon have a natural instinct to deal with that.
I’m supprised Moreno gets away every game with so little critismism. He was again our poorest performer. He gave the ball away for the first. He pushed a player in the box for no reason at all. He is the most unintelligent player with or without the ball that I’ve ever seen. He runs alongside opposition attackers without a clue what to do. Courtinho does so much good work and has Moreno as his only outlet which is always wasted. I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve screamed at Moreno to help Courtino in the press. When Phil has someone penned in or under pressure, Moreno jumps up and down on the spot and watches. He never double up with him. I’m pretty sure if you threw a stick for Moreno, he’d fetch it during one of his aimless (but crowd pleasing) runs.
Lallana does so much good work and he’s probably the nearest we’ve got at the moment to someone who can actually get into a CF position, but when he strikes the ball, it’s like he’s kicking a medicine ball.
Firmino for Can was possibly the strangest (and last change mos would have made) to the shape and dynamic of the team. That was a mistake. It’s fare to say (as it’s justified critismism) that might have cost us.
Atmosphere was weird from the beginning. Never got going. The loudest noises were when Can or Mingolet where on the ball and the crowd go fucking ape shit at their own players. Possibly the two players this affects the most.
Anfield. Way more vocal when slagging off a player than singing for the team. That will never change!
Martin only likes bands with banjos and American accents. Mainly the ones that became has-beens by about 1982.
Basically Bob Dylan.
Ha ha
Brought my 11yr old to his fifth game at Anfield (from Ireland – so pricey enough after flights hotel, shop n food). The previous game was the cup game against Oldham last season (Anfield out-sung for 90+ minutes by a few thousand Oldham supporters). I kid you not, the prawn sandwich brigade is firmly rooted in our stadium. When my son and I started singing it was as if we were aliens beamed into our sets from another galaxy….far….far….away. Oh right, so we don’t go to football to chant anymore. Oh right. So when we feel like we’ve had enough and can steal 5 to 10 mins on traffic we should vacate the place.
We need to open up new modernised standing (circa Germany) – safe and compatible. Give these standing seats to young ones at a discount and let them sing for us coz I’m telling you now, the prawn brigade that we have are pathetic ‘tourists’ and this will put me off going to the hallowed turf that ‘was’ in my day the Coliseum.
Away teams are louder all over Europe.
“Prawn sandwich brigade” doesn’t really exist at Anfield. If it does, it’s not the main problem. It’s the old boys who are bitter because they witnessed the greatest side in clubs history and culture of moaning has become norm for last 25 years. But to be fare, the atmosphere is shit in every Premier League ground.
I bet if you took away seating now, half the regulars would fuck it off.
Simply not true; I’ve lived in Germany for the last ten years and although the away fans do sing loudly depending on the opposition they home fans are louder 9 times out of 10.
If anybody missed the Palace game and is thinking of watching the replay, I heartily recommend opening a big bag of Kettle Chips and enjoying The Doobie Brothers play Santa Barbara (with no shortage of keyboards or drums) in 1982, as an alternative.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LCB_RdfdXc
It was unfortunate really that we were at home. Its said that after a long away trip a home game is what you want but if this had been away we could have tried to (dont laugh) shut up shop and took the point. At home you are obliged to go for the win.
One of the problems is that we dont kill off games so there is no easing down, we have to play for 90+ mins every game, is this contributing to the injuries? We should have got that game settled early on the other night. This has been a problem for a long time now other than 13/14. We do not have enough goals in the team. The odd midfielder (exc SG) scores now and again but there are no goals from defenders or from subs etc. I find this really odd when you look at the players we have esp in midfield. It is made worse by the two goalscorers being out injured, nobody steps up to the plate.
I dont think it we should worry too much about this setback but if it wasnt City next Mingolet would never play for LFC again if I had my way. Defence dont trust him and fans are petrified every time the ball is anywhere near him. He isnt improving in any part of his game and is now just a liability and everyone inc opposition knows it.
Anyway, wouldnt be the same going into an International break happy. Lets hope there are no more injuries.
I find myself irrationally biased against Lallana. So much so, that I cannot really trust my own repeated observations of him.
So, question: Is it just me and my negative bias towards him or does he, whenever he receives the ball inside the 18-yard box, almost always (I want to say always but that’s probably my bias) turn away and move towards and eventually outside of it?
I remember vividly an occasion where he received a pass inside the area, facing the goal, and he immediately proceeded to pass it out wide (yes, outside the area) to Clyne or Ibe (I can’t remember). What is _that_ all about?
How unaware of his surroundings is Lallana? How many times does he misjudge the flight of bog standard passes or crosses?
Despite some incredible ball-control skills and some almost magical things he does on the pitch, he’s just “one of those”, a player who, despite being very skilled, just is not good enough as part of a team.
I despise talk of “leadership” and “winners” and the rest of it, I hate it with a passion, as it’s what people bring up when they’ve run out of evidence- and logic-based argument to explain something. Still, if people are looking for ‘leaders’ and ‘winners’, think Lallana, and you have the quintessential NEGATIVE paradigm.
I hope I am wrong and it’s all my biased, negative view of him that is making me see weaknesses that are not there, and missing strengths that are there.
If I am right, I fervently hope he is replaced in January or in the Summer. His replacement will likely not be a ‘silky’ as Lallana, but he will, hopefully, more effective.
You are absolutely right.
We have a lot of 18-19 year olds in the academy that did not even make the bench ahead of Origi. We should let all of them go. Players like Martin Kelly will never be good enough for EPL.
Klopp knows less about football players and tactics than you. How can he be so ignorant to the team deficiencies when it is so apparent to you? He should have never sent Origi onto the pitch.
If you can get off your own high horse and face up to Klopp, you may find that you are not so tall after all.
I do not think that Can and Origi had a good game.
I have no idea how much they they can develop because I’m not a professional trainer or football manager in Liverpool FC.
The problem is that you think you know.