I REMEMBER the glory days of crowd-funding. Bands allowing you to pay for an album before it is made so they can record it. Young film-makers who can’t get the interest of production companies trying to make their first movie. Giving the public the chance to support charities or community projects struggling for money.
Now it’s all changed.
You have Hollywood actors raising money to make films so they don’t have to share profits with a film studio. You have ‘independent’ businesses asking you to pay their set-up costs, because apparently just buying products from them isn’t enough. And now we have people trying to throw money at sports clubs because they aren’t getting their own way.
By now you have probably read in the mainstream media that Michael Gavin, who claims to be a Liverpool fan, is trying to raise the €10,000,000 he has decided it will cost to sack Brendan Rodgers through GoFundMe.
So far he is on just €400, which is a long way short.
Although given he set up the page to receive donations (which means you get whatever people give you) rather than a pledge (which means you only get the money if you hit the target) and the fact that Gavin himself doesn’t seem to have donated yet, unless he has done so anonymously, rather makes you question the real aims of the whole objective.
Whatever the motive (and I suspect it is to take money off foolish people) it hasn’t sat particularly well with the majority of Liverpool fans.
The line “please donate whatever money you can” when the news is full of people who actually need the help of whatever we can, particularly grates.
But it is also interesting that 22 people, at current count. are so desperate to see Brendan Rodgers to go that they are willing to give a man they have probably never met money in the hope that a) He does what he says he’ll do with it b) The owners decide it proves that enough fans want him gone to act and c) they decide to go through the extreme PR gamble of to using supporter money to do so, instead of the football club’s.
Why do these people do it? There is an element of attention seeking about it, of course. You can’t do anything in 2015 unless you tell everyone about it on social media.
I expect every one of those donors has put a link on their Twitter trying to prove what a massive Liverpool fan they are, and how they hate Brendan Rodgers more than you do.
It’s the same for the men who bore all their friends in the pub about how they flew a plane over Liverpool with ‘Rodgers Out’ on it. But for many I think its also a simple case of not knowing any other way to influence their football club.
It’s tough being a football fan, even more a Liverpool fan. There are a lot of rules you have to obey. First of all, Liverpool don’t boo, that’s ‘Everton behaviour’.
If the Liverpool team has shown the required effort, if not any of the required quality, you are expected to clap the players off. The anthem we sing literally demands your loyalty is unwavered. Through the wind and the rain we must walk on. If the Kop hadn’t chosen it themselves, it would almost be like a song played at a North Korean military parade.
So not supporting in the ground is frowned upon. So what do you do, stop going? That’s even worse. You’re a glory hunter, here for the good times and abandoning us in the bad. Besides, what’s the point? Someone else will come along and take your ticket. So how is that a protest? No, you have to stay, suck it up, and hope it all gets better.
It’s even worse for those not lucky enough to be at Anfield every other week. How do you show your displeasure then? You can shout at Dejan Lovren on the TV, but he can’t hear you. You can storm out the pub early, but no-one will notice, unless it’s your round. You can shout on Twitter, moan on a forum, blame us on our message board because of something one of us said about the manager six months ago…
You might feel better for a bit. But is anyone really listening?
It’s the ‘is anyone really listening?’ question that drives people mad. In the past managers and players seemed approachable. You’d see the players in the same pubs and clubs as you. Managers lived in the same type of houses you do.
As countless stories attest to, if you knocked on their door they would often come out for a chat. If you didn’t like what they were doing, you could walk up to them and tell them. They’d probably tell you to ‘fuck off’, particularly if it was a player on a Saturday night, but at least they would know how you felt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moTP6AXm8JU
Now, Liverpool players are encouraged to drive straight off after training and not sign things for fans. They build a barbers in their house so they don’t have to go out in public. The more they separate themselves from the communities they represent, the more it’s easy to assume they don’t care.
Then there are the owners. I don’t believe Liverpool have ever had perfect owners. They’ve certainly never had socialist ones. Rich local men have turned into richer foreign men. At least they used to go to the games though. They were there in the stands watching the games. They could see what was acceptable and what wasn’t. They could hear the frustrations in the crowd, witness with their own eyes when the crowd disperses well before the end.
Now I don’t believe for a second FSG don’t monitor everything at Liverpool very closely. It’s too expensive an investment not to for a start. But when they spend so little time it the city, it is easy to claim they are too distant from the action to recognise the severity of a situation.
In the past I think people were more likely to grin and bear bad times. The idea of “support the team, and if the results aren’t good enough, there will be changes” doesn’t wash with many any more.
Previously, you might have had faith that the manager would walk away if it clearly wasn’t working, or that the owners would be present and competent enough to recognise the right time for a change. Do we now?
What manager would walk away from that contract when he has so little interaction with angry fans? Are the distant owners quite happy to keep an investment ticking over, increasing commercial revenue and ticket sales unless there is a drastic need for change?
I’m not as negative about the owners as some. I think footballers care a lot, and I think the manager has got his head so kettled from caring he can’t think straight (he probably needs a chat with Mignolet’s wife). But I understand the very reasonable reasons people disagree. That they think no-one is listening. That we could sink into the abyss and everyone at the club would say everything is fine.
So people get desperate. They fly planes. They try and raise money online. They tweet John W Henry. Because, quite frankly, they don’t know what else to do.
Football clubs can do something about this of course. Owners can turn up to more football games. They can pay more than lip service to the supporters’ committee they set up (but have failed spectacularly in the minimum attendance numbers they themselves imposed).
Instead of appearing on the front of this month’s FC Business magazine, Billy Hogan can talk to the Liverpool Echo, or to us, any time he wants about how he intends to improve the fortunes of the football club, and the experience for those who want to watch them, instead of bragging about what a good idea opening a London office was.
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— fcbusiness Magazine (@fcbusiness) August 25, 2015
Players can seem more arsed, too.
Sign autographs on the way to the car at Anfield instead of getting straight in. Worry more about the 90 per cent whose day you have made rather than the 10 per cent who might put it on Ebay for what you earn in half an hour.
It was great to see Jordan Henderson pop into Carragher’s Bar yesterday when he was in New York. Come to the Solly after the game next week? The worst you’ll experience is some aggresive hugging. It was great to see David Fairclough and Alan Kennedy on the Irregulars fan bus on the way to Manchester United at the weekend. What is stopping a suspended Liverpool player from doing the same?
I know it’s hard. And the fact that football clubs thinking football fans are all scary and mad isn’t helped by the fact that they often do things that are pretty scary and mad.
But I honestly think a genuine spirit of togetherness, led by the club, would help.
If fans were confident those at the football club were on the same side as them, we’d feel much less desperate to get ourselves heard, by any means necessary.
The fans in the Main Stand will still moan, and the fans in the Kop probably still won’t sing enough, but we can’t solve everything at once.
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This is the best written article I’ve read for a long long time what you have written is bang on the money mate I’m 47 and I do remember things being the way you have described and its made me think just how much football has changed making me think do I really love football as much as I did?
No-one thinks this is a good idea do they? The fund, the plane, it’s all a bit embarrassing.
Spot on mate, this fund is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever seen!
As Gareth Roberts would so eloquently put it, wool behaviour!
It’s the future though I’m afraid. It’s amazing but when things are going well there are less comments & less articles written. Since the emergence of social media, twitter & forums most contributors seem to love a crisis, whether it’s H&G, Rafa’s demise, Bankruptcy, Suarezgate, of Brendan Rodgers certain “fans” seem happier when there’s a crisis on hands. Regardless of Rodgers fate here this will go on & on and each sacking is only weakening the club in the long run as it takes us further away from our roots.
I am not in favour of giving Rodgers a pay off to watch him walk in to a soft job because he has Liverpool on his CV. This shit is of his making and he can clean it up
I couldn’t agree more. The irony of the desperation shown by some to eject Rodgers from the club is that it’s proving counterproductive. Out of fear of losing games Rodgers’ tactics have become increasingly conservative to avoid the kind of results we saw against West Ham this season and Stoke last season.
Let’s be clear about this – FSG won’t sack Rodgers until they absolutely have to because, firstly, they’ve invested in new players for him, and, secondly, it’ll cost them a decent sum to part company with their manager. In the meantime, the increasing pressure upon Rodgers from all directions will just continue, and probably worsen, his retreat into negative tactics. It might well hasten Rodgers’ eventual departure but it’ll also send Liverpool plummeting down the table.
Don’t forget that Rodgers is basically trying to assimilate half a new team into his side in as short a time as possible while three of his most influential players – Sturridge, Coutinho and Henderson – are unavailable. The vast majority of managers would find that a challenge. There’s no denying Rodgers has made mistakes but I don’t think many appreciate the size of the task that faces him, a task made more difficult by the immense pressure he’s under. If we, the fans, had shown a bit more patience this season, and not gone for the jugular so quickly after a few bad results, in all probability we’d be seeing more attacking football right now as Rodgers wouldn’t feel so fearful of conceding.
So fans are influencing the managers system and style of play? Thats your defence? Is that the Rodgers philosophy we hear so much about? Embarrassing.
I don’t think its true because as craven as he has been in other situations, i.e. Gerrard, not even his critics think they weild that sort of power or that he is that gutless. But if Rodgers is being influenced by fans that in itself is a sackable offense.
Chris below – why didnt you support Hodgson when times were tough?
If fans didn’t think they could influence players and managers they wouldn’t sing, cheer and boo at matches. It’s not fans directly who are influencing Rodgers but rather the combined pressure of them, the media and his desire to do well. I don’t care what line of work you’re in but if you’re carrying the weight of so many people’s expectations and are the target of so much vitriol sooner or later it will impact on your thinking to some degree, that’s just human nature.
There’s truth in what SJB is saying. FSG will not be bullied into making an important and potentially very disruptive decision by bitter, disaffected fans who feel marginalised and can’t control their anger. They’ll make a decision in their own time, in their own way, and on their own terms.
Fans do have the power to influence the manager and players’ performance and results. Unfortunately, the fans are going about it backwards. It was the fans’ fantastic unflinching support in Istanbul that lifted the team when they were down and gave them the momentum to turn the score line around. Today’s fans fail miserably in that regard. They want the players to lift them up, instead of the other way round as it should be. Today’s narcissistic fans nurse a sense of entitlement and think they deserve to be entertained for their money. They’re filled with resentment toward managers and players who earn millions and drive hot cars and have wives and girlfriends that the fans can only fantasise about.
Nothing will change at Liverpool until the fans change. As SJB said, it will get worse and another season will be lost. If and when a new manager comes in there will likely be 2-3 seasons of adjustment. It doesn’t matter who the manager is. They’ll eventually hate the next one as much as they hate the current one. But if by a miracle the fans did lift the pressure by getting behind the manager and squad, the result in 2015-16 could be quite different. Nah, won’t happen — not at Liverpool where the fans have PhDs in The Art of Moaning.
I’m minded to agree with re wider issues around entitlement and narcissism but is that the case at Liverpool? Could it not be argued that rather like the political situation today we’re simply tired of being told there’s no alternative, that this is all there is, when we know there is and it isn’t? I don’t agree with planes and crowdfunding or short-termism, at the same time I think our supporters have every right to worry that our club is being turned into a small club before our eyes: we’re a big club with global support and loads of money.
The reason the fans cheered on that team in Istanbul in ’05, is the same reason the Dortmund fans cheered on Klopp during last season. And the reason the fans (minus a minority of crazies) is on Rodgers’ back, is the same reason they were on Hodgson’s.
We had mostly shit football to watch for over a season now, and all the while we’re being fed bullshit from the press conferences.
The team has been getting battered by mid-table sides left and right. They’re playing some desperate sort of counter-attacking football. The club spends 10s of millions on young internationals only for them to be played out of position, bombed out the side, sent on loans to ridiculous leagues all over Europe.
Must be because the fans are resentful and jealous of the money and the girlfriends though. Right, Ellie?
You’re right, its human nature, humans crumble under pressure, then they get fired. Because, like Ellie states above, they’re getting paid millions, their getting paid millions because they’re professionals.
Theres a standard, theres expectations, thats Rodgers job, the job HE took. If he crumbles and leads a team into 3-0 shuntings against the likes of West Ham and Palace (I’ll refrain from talking about the one that hurts me the most) then maybe there is a problem and the problem isn’t just the fans.
I absolutely resent the idea that the fans should take the blame for someone else failing at their own job. You PAY to be a fan, you invest money, time and passion into it and Rodgers gets PAID to be the manager. The players get PAID to perform. So yes, we EXPECT a whole lot more than what we’re seeing. We EXPECT to a Liverpool team to, at the very least, turn up on matchdays more often than and actually look like they know what they’re doing.
*more often than not. My apologies. Having read that again it seems a lot more loaded than it should. Just don’t really feel fans should take the lions share of the blame.
Damn right!
It’s always all or nothing to one extreme or the other with some fans. Nowhere in my comment did I ‘blame’ the fans. My point is simple:
IF the fan base wants to change its attitude and decides to *unconditionally* support instead of abuse and slate (and blame!!), there’s a good possibility it could positively influence performance and results.
There’s huge difference between calmly and civilly expressing an unemotional and reasoned opinion vs the non-stop ranting and fuming that fans are indulging in currently. It was very reasonable to have a hangover of disappointment after losing the League so closely in May 2014, followed by losing Suárez under horrible circumstances, and after Stevie’s very disappointing final season and the Stoke debacle. But we’re in a constant moan fest with no end in sight. We’ve made fools of ourselves and are being seen as a bunch of whinging crybaby teenage girls.
I prefer the Kop Pledge: (1) Always support the team, no matter how bad they happen to be playing. (2) If the team is doing badly, then cheer even louder because they need your support even more. (3) If a player is struggling, then sing his name even louder and even harder to support him when he needs it the most. (4) If the opposition are the better side and performs well, then appreciate it and give them the credit they deserve.
That’s all. It’s my opinion, my choice. Make your own decision about the state of mind you choose to live in.
I’ve got some time for your first 2 paragraphs in principle. But the last paragraph is written by Sean O’Driscoll isn’t it? Not by a fan who has seen 15 points from the last 14 games, poor uncommitted football ( except vs.Arsenal) , a manager waiting for Dan ‘Willo the Wisp’ Studge to save the day, and now only Clyne,Skrtl,Mignolet and Benteke in their best positions.
Of course, the fans could always try getting behind the manager in a difficult time??
Hahahahahahahahaha could you imagine that..!
Best supporters in the land us.
My arse.
A difficult time was Kenny’s second spell as manager. The way BR’s team(s) has played for over a season now is taking a piss out of the supporters who come to the games.
I’m not trying to pile on the Rodgers hate here by the way. But I do think the fans have a right to be angry over performances like the last two games. I mean, lose 3:1 at Old Trafford while playing an attacking brand of football from the off, I’ll back you all next week.
Disconcerting that my lad is writing things I agree with and quite well,as well, lad. I remember meeting Terry Mac in Tescos.
Very enjoyable that, ful of wit and wisdom, I was never a Rogers fan but he won me over with his attacking style. Since Suarez left we have lost direction and want to be like Chelsea and defend. I don’t understand this for three reasons
1 we are not very good at it
2 it’s fucking painful to watch for those at the match at home or in the pub
3 I don’t know why FSG let you ditch being potentially every ones favorite other club because you play attacking football to become dull and boring. It’s as if FSG don’t want any more new fans and want to get rid of the existing ones.
At the moment Brendan you are giving wools a bad name.
PS Mingolet always shite when Lovren plays. I think he’s in his head
He must be getting old Peter – the wisdom of age eh? :-)
Has everyone forgotten the first 8 away games? Stoke, Arse, MancU, BluesS, Spurs, Chelsea, ManC, Swansea.
So given how hard that is – and it was much discussed when the fixtures came out – what are realistic expectations for end November? Get real everyone; just 2 games since Arsenal when with ANY luck at all we were 3-0 up … And everyone was so confident.
Get real, get behind, or Get Out; and that’s the fickle few, NOT the manager!!
Have you forgotten how poorly we are playing and have been playing for some considerable time?
Lost 8 of the last 16, big negative goal difference. The indifferent start to this season is the status-quo, not something that’s manifested after the summer break. That’s the problem!
Forget the results, we’re two fortuitous decisions from being on 3 points. Look at the way we play. It’s not attacking, it’s not death by football, it’s utterly clueless. The players are lost out there.
If he doesn’t know what he’s doing into his forth season, it’s pretty bloody obvious he won’t be able to turn it around regardless of how many hundreds of millions of pounds he spends on mid-table PL players.
If the players were out there giving it a go, hounding in packs, but being denied by worldy keepers, dodgy calls and the woodwork, you could consider it’ll soon click. But it isn’t. The opposition are scoring more than we have actual shots. That’s disgraceful considering the players he has available.
People have forgotten that football is about enjoyment. Win, lose or draw. These clubs, LFC included and their mercenary like players couldn’t give two shits about fans lives. Do I love LFC any less? Of course not – I’m passionate about my but In reality I know most of our players wouldn’t piss on me if I was on fire, if it meant a few extra quid in their pay packets. Just fucking enjoy it!!! The game, the pub, the highs, the lows. A league win could be 10 years away yet, could be 50 years, could be beyond my lifetime (I’m 31). Just enjoy it!!!
These lads should put their money in the local economy or a charity instead of blindly giving it away. They’re probably the ones that do boo, because everyone says they’ve never booed, but someone’s done it.
Can’t argue with a plea for unity and community. And historically there’s got to have been something in feeling you’re part of a shared reality. It’s definitely something the club should think long and hard about.
But I’d offer a depressing counter-argument, or at least exacerbating circumstances. We’re now the great anonymous unwashed, unified by a shared virtual reality increasingly cleansed of that historical reality.
And we’re brought up on a diet of constant attention. Ultrasounds of us scratching our arse in the womb. Adults thrown into an existential panic over our tantrums and tics as kids. Spoon-fed fussed and busied over at school. Exploding into reciprocating showers of cooing/bullying tweets and statuses as we grow up, coming full circle in bestowing aforementioned arse-scratching pikkys on all and sundry.
Not getting transfers is Christmas without the presents our mates are getting, or God forbid simply without. We rifle through them like a kid who gets his kicks counting them rather than than from what they’re actually for. Asking for stability, time and faith in what you’ve got is like persuading a kid he got enough presents for his Birthday. Or that ‘Adidas’ doesn’t make his trainers any better…
Pity Rodgers and his squad then if we as supposedly knowledgable, passionate, communal fans can’t see our way out of this. Do the terraces lead twitter or vice-versa ?
It probably wouldn’t matter if it weren’t for the fact we used to collectively ‘own’ the club spirit. Now we think we’re entitled to individually pwn it.
Rodgers has bamboozled the press and the owners with his coach speak for too long, the side cost more than Barcelona or Bayern and its got holes in it, of course it does all side do a manager is tasked with putting the best side out there he can and continuing to put square pegs in round holes with thr formation and habing no idea how to put players in a position where they can function brcause you fancy playing like 1970s Ajax is daft. If he had character we could overlook his tactics but He’s got no character, men who get success and ditch a wife of 20 years are not to be trusted. Ive no missed a match since 1988 and this side is the worst I’ve seen
Ridiculous to bring his personal life into it whatever your opinion about his ability to manage the club is.
He used it himself. Woe is me PR only a few weeks ago. It’s clearly not relevant to him being out of his depth, but when he’s using stuff that happened before he joined LFC as an excuse in the summer via his media buddies, he can hardly moan when a few people throw back in his face later.
you are a piece of shit.
What kind of low down scumbag drags someone’s personal life into an argument about whether he can manage or not. God people like you make me question my fanship.
You’re an embarrassment to what I liverpool fan is, shame the fuck on you
For anyone who has read or replied to my comments posted here since the beginning of the season, this here from Matt is exactly what I’ve been complaining about. Let’s see if anyone from TAW deems it worthy of their time to reply to him for the ridiculously abusive language and attitude shown towards another supporter and a reader of theirs.
Good piece. Well-written, rational.
Btw, though:
Pro-tip: Concentrate on expressing views after you’ve had time to formulate them based on evidence and logic. You’re very good at that, and the results speak for themselves.
Extemporaneous opinion-giving, on the other hand, is not your forte. Either swerve it or be more circumspect.
Pro tip!
What great article…..every sentence from start to finish makes sense…refreshing to read..after the doom & gloom of Saturday’s loss this article brings us back in a realm of normality…keep up the great work!!
By all means back the manager, but my allegiance first and foremost is to Liverpool football club.
I will rather see the back of a million managers that see what Rodgers is turning this great institution into.
Firstly, Wools? Really? What like Dalglish and Rush? Stop dragging your knuckles eh lads.
Secondly, Rodgers? Really? 7 defeats in 14 and a goal difference of -12. Stop dragging this out eh FSG.
Quite.
So if countinho gets on an away bus with fans while he’s suspended. Or Joe Allen joins every one since he’s always injured (assuming you know what he looks like and know it’s him) then it will stop idiots been idiots?
The reason that link you posted went viral is because Yous have made an indursty out of football stories. Pay per clicks, Google ads. Read the tripe on the papers few words YouTube vid and some pics. It’s made by people making money.
The guy who made that page did not think it was going to do what it did but I guarantee you’ll see it for other clubs soon.
It’s Shitty been a fan my first proper day at h I pub as a kid with my uncle Cantona scored the winner in the fa cup final. I’m 33 and have never had a winning era.
Jordan herndeaon coming into a pub make me feel better? Fuk off will ya.
Maybe if you stuck some Google ads on your site you might not have to put the shows through snowy wall.
We’re all great fans, we all like money, there will always be idiots and always people that pay lip service to them. Former players or current coming to pubs or jumping on buses won’t change a thing.
Gerard book whored on the daily mail. Now at the start of the season – he hasent even retired.. It’s how this work n Yous do a great show I love listening to it but your part of that industry that you don’t like.
Hes SteveG – if you wanna be a coach say it. Say hey I’ll sign as part time player coach nobproblem. N now they all know we used him to tap players up. Big huge club right. Don’t they have a transfer com pay people to talk to football agents n things or no?
Last one. Sorry for the spelling mistakes. Messegeing on the phone.
I have to admit that TAW, since it’s inception has given me more than fair value entertainment wise. The written articles are well presented without being precious, and the TAW player has been well worth the readies. However, the real gem is how you have managed to provide a soap box for folks whose opinions I look forward to, and how on occasion a real wingnut pops up and blows my mind (man) Well better than the footie, Melissa is a fantastic part of the TAW jumble, well done there, and all concerned you have my admiration and I wish you more future success. Now, about the manager, he is not going anywhere for the time being, so we should suck it up and hope he has an epiphany. Oh, and man, I wish Stevie would just leave us be and enjoy his vacation.
Nice post. I’m occasionally critical but really value TAW and wish the guys every success. There’s still a bit of work to be done transitioning from the local to the (inter)national but they’ll get there.
Who is this Micheal Gavin clown?
As for a player going the solly after the match, probably won’t get any of them volunteering to do that as it is impossible to get served!
Fuck me, haven’t any of you considered this is a piss-take from a fan of another club? It’s just a another vector for trolling, the same shit that used to be done on mailing lists, usenet, and even letters to the local rag.
Maybe so but what about the fans who flew the banner. I’ve seen “fans” suggesting boycotting the game til he goes or starting Rodgers Out chants at the game. There are plenty of idiots out there.
For the record, it might be this month, it might be the next but I think it’s only a matter of time now before he goes.
I know this … John Barnes use to live in Neston, very nice house on a posh road, our Adam must of been ten years old and was out with his mates playing footy on Parkgate field, on the way back home they Passed John’s house and knocked on his door. John’s wife answered the door and the kids asked to see him, she took them inside and they met their hero and then he had a game of footy with them, his misses made them butties and also made sure they got home safe.
John lived in a posh house but was part of the community. That’s gone now. Not many footballers would open the door to four kids let alone the wife make a plate of butties for them. Love John, he is loved forever by four grown men.
“I don’t care what the weather man says, when the weatherman says it’s raining..”
well, i do a bit, but, if i wanted to moan and complain all the time i’d have supported Everton.
Great piece. And it also got me thinking about that time Rafa ended up in the boozer in Germany. Wasn’t that just fucking brilliant??
Cards on table, I cant stand Brendan. Maybe its my Socialist background that wont let me feel empathy for him or maybe its the envelopes which I thought was among the most embarrassing things as a red,who knows?
However, the vilification of long standing fans by people like Ellie, who only seems to post to denigrate fans, is just as disgusting.
I have no time for people who say sick things, who fly planes, start campaigns to get the manager sacked etc, However, too often comments on here and elsewhere are bundled together and used to slag off concerned fans.
When fans talk about his tan/teeth its not maybe as personal as it seems. What fans (not all) are trying to point out is that they can see through the veneer. Behind the look there seems no substance, like being given a massive box in fantastic wrapping and lovely bows for your birthday only to find its empty. I dont agree with attacking him over his affair it can happen to anyone, why I once flirted with Rita Ora (in my dreams). However, he announced at the start that we are a family, The fact that he is prepared to break up his close family makes people sceptical of his comments.
Come one, both sides drop the viciousness and respect each others views even if you are totally opposed.
Great article, and unfortunately you are correct in that a few idiots claiming to be the voice of the majority and some of them being very nasty people, one in particular who goes by the name of Dean Jones who takes severe umbrage if you don’t agree with his views of BR and not for the first time he has threatened to beat me up because I won’t agree with him (I’m a disabled 68 year old lifelong Liverpool fan) and the Disqus blog just ignore him.
His latest tirade at me was: Shut up you TOOL,and if your a scouser why not meet me for a straightner,I’m in Knotty Ash…
He’s also illiterate.