ROB GUTMANN was joined by Stuart Wright, Melissa Reddy and Gareth Roberts for this week’s Gutter as the panel discuss the potential exits of Lucas and Mamadou Sakho.
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ROB GUTMANN was joined by Stuart Wright, Melissa Reddy and Gareth Roberts for this week’s Gutter as the panel discuss the potential exits of Lucas and Mamadou Sakho.
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Apparently Sakho has been offered a new long term contract. Whether he signs or not is another thing due to serious lack of game time. I cannot understand why he’s not playing. French vc. Captained France at every youth level. Keeps Mangala and Kocielny out of the team. Nevermind the small matter of him being our best centreback. Why is he not even on the bench?!
I thought last year we were light a midfielder. Gerrard left and we brought in Milner so who replaces Lucas??
Sorry i’m not buying the ‘the club don’t want to sell but are open to offers’ – that means they are willing to sell, especially willing on two players the manager clearly doesn’t rate and who can’t, for some unfathomable reason, even get on the bench.
So let’s not pretend that its purely the players driving this! ( IMHO obviously)
ps very very harsh on both Lucas & Sakho to say that its their bad attitudes that are the reason for them being dropped. Lucas has never EVER given any reason in all his time at the club that he has stropped about anything, and to be fair he’s had reason to if he so willed, and Sakho’s derby game strop was the fact that he had come in for a Lovren, only when Lov was injured ( remember BR did not drop him) and was a revelation, only to find once Lov was fit, Sakho was dropped. What sort of message is that to your squad? No matter what lads, my favourites, regardless of form are playing, so no point in moaning!!? Madness.
I think again, there seems to be a general ‘well lets paint the players as the wankers in this scenario, rather than question the manager too much’. I mean are we seriously saying that Rob’s asserting that the reason Lov is playing is not because he’s better or in more form than Sakho, but that he cost more. If that’s true, that is beyond and other managers would get slated for that.
Also, Gareth was correct, Tony Barrett did say that Rodgers does indeed cut his nose to spite his face and has a different attitude to his players over the committee players.
The notion that “the only plausible reason” (or words to that effect) that Sakho and Lucas are not included in the matchday squad is that, unlike Moreno, they have not demonstrated the desire to “force their way back into BR’s plans” (or words to that effect) is, on its own merits, preposterous. On the other hand, were it to be supported by something like verifiable empirical evidence (heck, even words by Sakho and Lucas would be something), it would become more plausible (whilst still outrageous) and credible.
As things stand, certain members of the TAW begin with the unshakable preconceptions that Brendan (it’s Rodgers, or Brendan Rodgers, referring to him by his first name, a la Rafa or Kenny, is a bit much) cannot possibly be wrong or improperly motivated in his selection of personnel for the first XI and match-day squad (or that he doesn’t have priors in terms of moronically not selecting Lucas, Sakho and others in the starting XI and the match-day squad, which he does) and ‘reason’ (used very liberally) backwards from there.
All sorts of yellow-journalism style ‘excuses’ and ‘explanations’ are put forth, as well as some straight up logical fallacies to make sense of Brendan’s choices. When an alternative scenario is offered (three cheers to Gareth Roberts for doing so, but his being a genuine gentleman often gets in the way of him making his point most effectively when his interlocutor is female), it is often lumped in with illogical and moronic, but tangentially related, conspiracy theories or dismissed by pointing to “lack of evidence”.
Guess what, the Rodgers-friendly ‘explanations’ suffer from an actual, serious lack of supporting evidence. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Either give free-reign to ‘conjectures’ based on available evidence, or eliminate them altogether.
The impression that one TAW regular contributor in particular is a bit too cozy “with the club” and ‘Brendan’, to the point of being effectively an ’embedded’ reporter (a PR mole), is becoming more and more difficult for me to shake. I may, of course, be entirely wrong. I hope so, in this case.
The most worrying thing about Rodgers is his preference for Lovren over Sakho. It’s the one thing I keep coming back to and it stops me from truly trusting our manager. Yes he’s played ok the last few matches against lesser opposition. But for those who say he was MoM v Stoke – go back and watch the last Stoke attack in that game, with a minute or so left. Long ball up to the big fella, a runner off him, Lovren caught under the ball again, doesn’t jump with the big man, and doesn’t track the runner off him either. Flick on happens, runner is in on goal- and if the touch had been softer, it’s the equaliser. As it is, Mignolet gets there first. A microcosm of
all the worst things about Dejan rolled into one – his hesitation, his poor decision-making in pressurised moments. Hope I’m wrong, but believe he’s simply not good enough for Liverpool.
I like most am a big Sakho fan, the man as much as the player, and I suspect he has a massive presence amongst the players and is held in very high regard. I also think the club is on an upward curve atm inspite of last seasons poor 1 off and like most true Reds we are giving Brendan the benefit for another season, there were huge mitigating circumstances involved.
That said I’m disappointed, if it’s true, that he favours Lovrem over Sakho as surely if judged purely on performances its undisputed and a unanimous knock out for Sakho that when in the starting line up he has tidied up Lovren’s mess and held the team together in his 1st season jittering debacle.
If it’s true I’m also very disappointed in BR’s lack of neutrality and he needs to take heed or he may find himself losing the support of fans he most definitely can ill afford to lose.
Best CB and the only experienced Def Mid at the club not in the squad after playing a big part in last season’s stability….
Why fight for your place when the manager is clueless and can’t see what we as fans can all see? They should both be starting every game if possible and in Lucas case at least on the bench for a tactical change. No other top manager in the world would do what Rodgers is doing at the moment with these to without some kind of backup to buy better.
If I was Sakho and Lucas I’d to be looking to leave. Brendan Rodgers does not act on merit and the Real Madrid away game last year was proof of this. He wants HIS players only, hence Joe Allen still being around. Biggest question is Borini and what did to piss Brendo off???
Think Brendan and the internal politics at the club needs to be questioned a bit more than players attitudes. Rodgers should never have been allowed to sign Lovren in the first place unless it was to take Skrtels place. The club is now in a position where we have too many players for a squad and players wont leave and some aren’t wanted and trying to be forced out. Planning and communication at the club is obviously not on the agenda since last summer.