NEIL Atkinson, John Milburn, Gareth Roberts and Jay McKenna clatter through the defeat against United.
Bad language. Tons of bad language. And referees. And Gerrard. And bad language.’
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Only listened to 9 and a half minutes but this is much more like it. Comments on Gerrard and Sterling utterly spot on.
“If that was anyone else…blah fucking blah”
You mean like Henderson against City last year with the game won and in the bag?
Gerrard fucked up and has faced the cameras to admit he fucked up. Do you want him in the stocks?
To the fella who says it doesn’t matter what he’s done before…don’t be so soft. Of course it fucking matters. *That’s* why he’s clapped off.
Yeah he apologised, good for him, do I want him in the stocks, no. I would prefer he didn’t fuck up like that, I would prefer our captain didn’t put in such a shithouse challenge with half the game to play but he did and people have the right to call him out on that. I hate to see players clapped off after getting needlessly sent off.
Call him out on getting sent off? Yep, let’s do that by all means.
Throw him under a fucking bus? No thanks.
Rodgers: “He probably watched the first half and didn’t see a tackle”
Might have had something to do with it. The Mata challenge was precisely the sort of thing we were missing in the first-half. When he put that challenge in were we saying “fucking great Stevie lad” or “hold up Stevie you’ll get sent off if you carry on like that”? I know what I was saying. It doesn’t make what he did okay, but it’s part of the package at the end of the day. The player who doesn’t do the dumb-ass thing he did to Herrera probably doesn’t make the tackle just before on Mata.
Of course he should still know better – and I doubt he needs anyone on here to tell him that.
yes he fucked up and has rightly apologised but that doesn’t mean he is beyond reproach.
Personally I don’t believe any player should be clapped off in this instance. After that abject first half performance , Gerrard coming on and doing that, all but ended any chance we had of getting anything out of this game.
As it happens, I sort of agree. I think the last sent off player I clapped off was Shelvey, and then only because he gave it to SAF as he left the field.
But it’s not hard to understand why, in the case of Gerrard – this being his last game against United and all – some did that today.
However bad all of us feel about the shit Sunday we’ve just experienced, it won’t be close to how Gerrard feels. So yeah, reproach him, then let’s remember what he’s given the club for the last 17 years and move on.
“To the fella who says it doesn’t matter what he’s done before…don’t be so soft. Of course it fucking matters. *That’s* why he’s clapped off.”
Of course. Done it all for free didnt he. Wasnt compensated with millions upon millions of pounds. Can do what he wants now can’t he, cuz of what he done years ago? Fuck things like the present and the future.
Fuck me, you mean Gerrard gets paid? What, like it’s his job, or summat?
What a mercenary bastard. Give me one of those players who does it all for free any day of the week, eh?
Whatever SG got paid at Liverpool, he could have had more at Madrid or Chelsea (both of whom tried to buy him twice).
Desperate stuff, Chris.
That Shelvey moment was brilliant. He said more to Whiskey-nose in that walking off than the entire governing body did to him in his MU careers.
Fair enough, not looking to hang him out to dry, just frustrated with how the day panned out. Like most I was delighted someone finally put in a challenge, but then…well we know what happened next. Gerrard will take stick for it, it comes with the territory (senior pro, captain), will it be how I remember him, will it fuck, it was a sending off and in no way overshadows “what he’s given the club for the last 17 years”.
I don’t know what Balotelli has to do to get a start in this team. He frightens the life out of the opposition. Also need to change this system, defensively it improves us but offensively it doesnt offer enough. Need to start introducing the 442 diamond again.
Thank you. I needed that.
You know that pain you get when we lose to UTD? Deep in the gut. Fucking horrible. Well this podcast remedied it instantly.
Lots of exciting stuff going on at TAW at the moment. But this pod felt like one of the old ones. Loads of passion, humour and intellect. Reminds me of the podcasts when we were shit. Very funny.
Gerrard wasn’t to blame for being outclassed in the first half.
Rodgers will always fall short when it comes to the crunch. Eventually this will be accepted by our own fans.
When though? When? So many are entrenched in their view that he’ll get it right (on next to know evidence) that they simply don’t want to admit they got it wrong and were sucked in by a master self publicist.
Ive not seen a liverpool manager perform as pathetically as he did between August and December. Not even Hodge. Not after spending the amount of money he did. This campaign was fucked by the manager in those months.
I was agnostic on his appointment. I gave him a chance. I was unsure if last season was him or Suarez. I was unsure if tossing his philosophy was a positive.
We have all the answers we need. But as yiu say, when will the rest kop on?
Your explanation for nearly winning the league is Suarez?
Suarez hitting freakish form, yes? Is that not now obvious? I mean Jesus, what more evidence do you want? Whats happened since Suarez left please? £120m and 7 players havent got remotely close to filling the void he left behind.
Chris, for someone who talks as though they have deep insight into football, your explanations are hilariously simplistic and amateurish.
The performance of a team over a whole season down to one player? Hilarious.
“Football is a simple game complicated by idiots.”
You know who said that?
That’s the most inaccurate and inappropriate use of Shankly’s words! Context all wrong, lad.
Once you understand the basics, you can get to simplifying it. Don’t do it the other way around. That will lead to inept reasoning.
You have “all the evidence you need” that Rodgers isn’t up to it? Christ, I’d love to see that dossier. It ain’t the pro-Rodgers contingent that are entrenched, lad.
Really good honest no holds barred sort of podcast. Needed that after today.
Thanks for an honest podcast. Particularly pleased at you calling the locals in the crowd out. I’m from Liverpool originally and couldn’t believe some of the comments I heard in the Centenary at the last match I flew home for (and that was the Suarez exhibition against Norwich!). Can only imagine how bad it must have been today. Good on you all.
Gerrard stamp was obviously scandalous, but it masks some of the problems with others players on the pitch in the first half
Lallana looks like the kinda player that does that odd good looking turn every now and again to make his highlight reel decent then spend 90% of the other times doing sweet FA. And because of that highlight reel people think he’s good
Moreno was young but looked out of his depth, hope the lad bounces back
Allen isn’t a consistent starter on a midfield that wants to be in the CL
And the 3 at the back system’s getting sused out
Spot on. All of it.
I think Liverpool moves forward when Steven Gerrard is gone. I hate thinking it and saying it — and all respect for what Stevie has given to the club throughout his career — but he has not been able to adjust to the truth about himself that everybody else sees clearly. And despite his extensive experience, he also hasn’t succeeded in controlling his own emotions, which he himself said last Spring is his single biggest problem. Now that flaw has had a potentially drastic impact on the club’s position, which could result in gigantic financial loss if we don’t get top four.
We go again, but it will be best if we do so with Steven Gerrard playing an increasingly diminished role. When trust is broken like it was on Sunday, an apology doesn’t restore it, and a handful of games will not be enough to repair the damage done. Brendan needs to move on firmly now without Steven Gerrard, and Steven Gerrard must accept the consequences of his own decisions and actions.
For 45 minutes of that game we were running around like headless chickens being driven towards our own goal by absolute clowns like Fellani. What we needed were leaders, players who knew what this fixture meant. What I’d give for a Mascherano yesterday.
But we had Gerrard and when he came on United knew they would be in a game. His first challenge got the crowd going and gave us impetuous. The second was a terrible mistake driven by passion.
No way should we kill him for that. It was a MISTAKE. I’m over the mistake but not over our first half shambles. Teams have worked out if they press high against us it nullifies Coutinho and our attack. It also puts our makeshift defenders like Can under pressure. We desperately lack another top quality striker who can play across the pitch.
Yesterday was a day at the office, Brendan will learn from it. He always does.
Our biggest challenge in the summer though is replacing the behemoth who so many are castigating today – Steve Gerrard.
God I’ll miss him and we will be crying for those challenges one day.
” Brendan will learn from it – he always does ”
Didn’t learn from it at Swansea only a few days before yesterdays game. Similar problems magnified by Utd’s greater attacking strength.
It’s great being on a winning streak and tempting to just leave the team unchanged but that needed tweaking. Many on social media were discussing it before the game – whilst Ibe is injured, should we just move Henderson to the right and bolster that midfield ? Allen’s nice and tidy but in big games…
Moreno might well improve next season but he appears to be another monoped left back and we don’t know how to utilise width to our advantage. Places pressure not only on midfield but on the two behind the striker.
what does Gareth say on 28 mins that causes everyone to crack up??
“Missed the pen though didn’t you, lad?”
The way we set up was a concern. United didn’t do anything ground breaking, they flooded the midfield with 3, used Fellaini to target our right side and Can, try to dominate the ball, those weren’t curve balls, everyone knew that they were gonna do that
We didn’t set up to deal with any of those concerns, which was a huge worry
Arsene Wenger said in France 1998 that the future of football is in midfield, and that the best midfield wins most competitions. Fergie disproved that between 2006 and 2012 – but I think the point stands.
Our issue yesterday was that in big games the likes of Joe Allen are found wanting and we need something else to ensure that when an opposition manager as astute as Van Gaal comes to town we have the skill and power to adapt and fight.
Going forward we need to replace Gerrard with someone maybe not like for like but who has stature and maturity – even a Carrick type! The burning question in my head is whether Joe Allen is better than Jamie Redknapp, let alone Mascherano, Souness, Gerrard, Alonso, McMahon etc – even Momo is probably better than Joe Allen.
We are definitely onto something with this team; certainly with the way we play – but we need a couple of big players to cope in tense games like yesterday – I still think United toyed with us at times and that hurt.
Gerrard was the only that really cared, even if he wasn’t controlled. We simply cannot afford another summer of rebuilding with young players.
Great incite in to the crowds mentality going during the game…it seems very divided. no wonder the team is playing better away from home.
Gerrard getting clapped off sets the wrong tone of Liverpool fans from afar when other players, especially the blacks players are getting stick. There is a common theme running through players like Sakho Sterling Sturridge and Balotelli and that is the lack of trust in these players over the past months. Sterlings contract situation is no different from Henderson’s both players agents are wanting more than the club wants to pay because it is not reflecting the amount of responsibility placed on both players. Henderson wants a captains wage and sterling wants a wage for someone who has been voted the best young player in Europe. But the medias response is making Sterling out to be a player with an attitude problem and are more sympathetic to Henderson’s situation. I am a Liverpool fan but if I was Sterling I would look for a move away this season because just like his position on the pitch he is being messed around by the club which I can imagine being an unhealthy atmosphere for the lad.
The theme of Sterling having an attitude problem has also been applied to Sakho Sturridge and Balotelli during this season.
The question looks to me is that can most local Liverpool fans handle having so many black players in their in there 1st 11 ? because all teams need there support the most when things are not going right. Applying lazy stereotypes to these players (The Sakho Traore comparison is a great example I don’t here people comparing Lovarn to Picknic or other white Liverpool defenders who have not done so well at there time at the club..plus Traore has a champions league medal so he cant of been that bad of a player) does not help the team and to extend it to its wider context to its casual racism.
All you have to do is compare this to Steven Gerrard’s action over the past season
* Has a press interview about his future after being dropped for the Real game
* Announces that he is leaving the club mid season
* Throws Balotelli under the bus and makes Jordon Henderson leadership look weak by his comments on ITV
* Gets sent off in 48 seconds during Liverpool’s most important game of the season.
If comparing that to Sakho Sterling Sturridge and Balotelli who is showing more of an attitude problem ?
More importantly if the fans give the same support to those players like they have done to Gerrard, imagine the confidences that would give them because like Gerrard they are not subservient characters so why are they expected to act like subservient characters ?
Brilliant post. Spot on about so much.